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tompuderbaugh

Hi all,

I recently watched the Netflix documentary "The Game Changer" about what science is telling us about the food/nutrition needs of Elite athletes.

Wow, what an eye opener.

Not sure I totally agree with everything presented....But I'm telling you, anyone who watches it with an "open mind" will go "Huh, maybe some of the stuff I've been doing all these years is totally wrong".

Certainly worth 90 minutes of your time.

Good training to all!
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1958

Texas, USA

Typical leftist propaganda from James Cameron(sigh).He has invested millions in the alternative meat industry! If vegetarianism is so healthy,why do they keep offering products that taste like meat?
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1958

Texas, USA

Typical vegan mentality
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blacksheep21

tompuderbaugh wrote:
Hi all,

I recently watched the Netflix documentary "The Game Changer" about what science is telling us about the food/nutrition needs of Elite athletes.

Wow, what an eye opener.

Not sure I totally agree with everything presented....But I'm telling you, anyone who watches it with an "open mind" will go "Huh, maybe some of the stuff I've been doing all these years is totally wrong".

Certainly worth 90 minutes of your time.

Good training to all!

I just wrote about this here. You won't get many open minds. I thought it was great.
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

Shows what a hypocrite Terminator is (and always was) now he wants dark fate for you.
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HeavyHitter32

DNAHelix wrote:
Shows what a hypocrite Terminator is (and always was) now he wants dark fate for you.


Watched that movie last night actually. What a POS.

It should have all ended at T2.
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sirloin

blacksheep21 wrote:
tompuderbaugh wrote:
Hi all,

I recently watched the Netflix documentary "The Game Changer" about what science is telling us about the food/nutrition needs of Elite athletes.

Wow, what an eye opener.

Not sure I totally agree with everything presented....But I'm telling you, anyone who watches it with an "open mind" will go "Huh, maybe some of the stuff I've been doing all these years is totally wrong".

Certainly worth 90 minutes of your time.

Good training to all!
I just wrote about this here. You won't get many open minds. I thought it was great.


Like minded people you mean. I was vegan for an 18 month period several years ago, and ive been lacto ovo vegetarian. The former caused me nothing but stomach issues which is why i give it up, the latter was more doable.




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DNAHelix

New York, USA

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
DNAHelix wrote:
Shows what a hypocrite Terminator is (and always was) now he wants dark fate for you.

Watched that movie last night actually. What a POS.

It should have all ended at T2.


Liked and agreed!

BTW on a subject of abstaining from meat...
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sirloin

DNAHelix wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
DNAHelix wrote:
Shows what a hypocrite Terminator is (and always was) now he wants dark fate for you.

Watched that movie last night actually. What a POS.

It should have all ended at T2.

Liked and agreed!

BTW on a subject of abstaining from meat...


LAMO, love it
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tompuderbaugh

I am the original poster of this thread.

Unfortunately, this thread has become kind of boring, not much original thought being put forward....

How about some comments from people who have actually watched the ENTIRE 90 min. documentary? Not people who watched the first 15-30 minutes, then closed their minds and rushed to a conclusion?

I, personally have eaten meat most every meal of my ENTIRE life. That is just the way that I was raised. (And that's most all of us, if we are honest, right?)

But, just so you know, I am a Track and Field athlete, now in training to represent our country in the upcoming World Track and Field Championships (Senior Division) later this year. Competition is really, really tough....True that.

After watching this documentary, perhaps, and I mean this sincerely, just PERHAPS some of the stuff that we have been doing for years in the name of muscle building/strength/speed is just plain wrong and ready for an update.

I, as a very serious athlete, am open to SOME (not perhaps all) of the conclusions presented in this documentary.

I have now been a short 2 weeks without any meat at all (full disclosure I have stayed with limited milk products, cheese, yogurt and eggs, etc. Just not ANY actual meat.)

Interesting Note: I haven't set a "personal best" in my Track and Field events in over a year. Despite my very best efforts to try.

But I have just broken my previous records, TWICE in just the past two weeks.

So don't close your mind. Watch the entire 90 minutes....See if you don't go....

"Holy Crap, what IF some of the things that I have been doing all these years is just plain wrong (....at least partially?"

I just know that I have now run the 100 meter dash faster and jumped the running Long Jump further than I have ever have before.

Flame-me-out if you want to. But I am open to whatever helps me get ready to represent our wonderful nation (U.S.A) in world competition.

Good training to all!
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epdavis7

tompuderbaugh wrote:
I am the original poster of this thread.

Unfortunately, this thread has become kind of boring, not much original thought being put forward....

How about some comments from people who have actually watched the ENTIRE 90 min. documentary? Not people who watched the first 15-30 minutes, then closed their minds and rushed to a conclusion?

I, personally have eaten meat most every meal of my ENTIRE life. That is just the way that I was raised. (And that's most all of us, if we are honest, right?)

But, just so you know, I am a Track and Field athlete, now in training to represent our country in the upcoming World Track and Field Championships (Senior Division) later this year. Competition is really, really tough....True that.

After watching this documentary, perhaps, and I mean this sincerely, just PERHAPS some of the stuff that we have been doing for years in the name of muscle building/strength/speed is just plain wrong and ready for an update.

I, as a very serious athlete, am open to SOME (not perhaps all) of the conclusions presented in this documentary.

I have now been a short 2 weeks without any meat at all (full disclosure I have stayed with limited milk products, cheese, yogurt and eggs, etc. Just not ANY actual meat.)

Interesting Note: I haven't set a "personal best" in my Track and Field events in over a year. Despite my very best efforts to try.

But I have just broken my previous records, TWICE in just the past two weeks.

So don't close your mind. Watch the entire 90 minutes....See if you don't go....

"Holy Crap, what IF some of the things that I have been doing all these years is just plain wrong (....at least partially?"

I just know that I have now run the 100 meter dash faster and jumped the running Long Jump further than I have ever have before.

Flame-me-out if you want to. But I am open to whatever helps me get ready to represent our wonderful nation (U.S.A) in world competition.

Good training to all!


Any other changes ie you cut out sugary junk foods, lost bodyweight enabling you to run faster, better sleep etc. Not doubting, but trying to get a better holistic view to determine cause and effect. Eggs are a perfect protein source. Definitely not vegetarian.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

tompuderbaugh wrote:
I am the original poster of this thread.

Unfortunately, this thread has become kind of boring, not much original thought being put forward....

How about some comments from people who have actually watched the ENTIRE 90 min. documentary? Not people who watched the first 15-30 minutes, then closed their minds and rushed to a conclusion?

I, personally have eaten meat most every meal of my ENTIRE life. That is just the way that I was raised. (And that's most all of us, if we are honest, right?)

But, just so you know, I am a Track and Field athlete, now in training to represent our country in the upcoming World Track and Field Championships (Senior Division) later this year. Competition is really, really tough....True that.

After watching this documentary, perhaps, and I mean this sincerely, just PERHAPS some of the stuff that we have been doing for years in the name of muscle building/strength/speed is just plain wrong and ready for an update.

I, as a very serious athlete, am open to SOME (not perhaps all) of the conclusions presented in this documentary.

I have now been a short 2 weeks without any meat at all (full disclosure I have stayed with limited milk products, cheese, yogurt and eggs, etc. Just not ANY actual meat.)

Interesting Note: I haven't set a "personal best" in my Track and Field events in over a year. Despite my very best efforts to try.

But I have just broken my previous records, TWICE in just the past two weeks.

So don't close your mind. Watch the entire 90 minutes....See if you don't go....

"Holy Crap, what IF some of the things that I have been doing all these years is just plain wrong (....at least partially?"

I just know that I have now run the 100 meter dash faster and jumped the running Long Jump further than I have ever have before.

Flame-me-out if you want to. But I am open to whatever helps me get ready to represent our wonderful nation (U.S.A) in world competition.

Good training to all!


give an example of your daily eating....I am interested in trying no meat for a week or two...but don't want to resort junk food to replace the meat
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
So for us poor slobs who don't get NETFLIX please give us a blow by blow tally of what the message is.
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sirloin

tompuderbaugh wrote:
I am the original poster of this thread.

Unfortunately, this thread has become kind of boring, not much original thought being put forward....

How about some comments from people who have actually watched the ENTIRE 90 min. documentary? Not people who watched the first 15-30 minutes, then closed their minds and rushed to a conclusion?

I, personally have eaten meat most every meal of my ENTIRE life. That is just the way that I was raised. (And that's most all of us, if we are honest, right?)

But, just so you know, I am a Track and Field athlete, now in training to represent our country in the upcoming World Track and Field Championships (Senior Division) later this year. Competition is really, really tough....True that.

After watching this documentary, perhaps, and I mean this sincerely, just PERHAPS some of the stuff that we have been doing for years in the name of muscle building/strength/speed is just plain wrong and ready for an update.

I, as a very serious athlete, am open to SOME (not perhaps all) of the conclusions presented in this documentary.

I have now been a short 2 weeks without any meat at all (full disclosure I have stayed with limited milk products, cheese, yogurt and eggs, etc. Just not ANY actual meat.)

Interesting Note: I haven't set a "personal best" in my Track and Field events in over a year. Despite my very best efforts to try.

But I have just broken my previous records, TWICE in just the past two weeks.

So don't close your mind. Watch the entire 90 minutes....See if you don't go....

"Holy Crap, what IF some of the things that I have been doing all these years is just plain wrong (....at least partially?"

I just know that I have now run the 100 meter dash faster and jumped the running Long Jump further than I have ever have before.

Flame-me-out if you want to. But I am open to whatever helps me get ready to represent our wonderful nation (U.S.A) in world competition.

Good training to all!


Ive watched it, and was vegan for an extended period, i lost muscle on it and had nothing but stomach issues.

My experience isnt unique, after speaking with hundreds of vegans and ex-vegan on Robert Cheekes vegan bodybuilding and fitness site, its clear many thrive on a vegan diet and many do better with meat and animal byproducts in their diet, i.e., a balanced diet. Many also thrive on an animal based diet. The only ideal diet is the one that works best for YOU.

On a seperate note, your "wonderful nation" supplied weapons and helped fund terrorist organisations that murdered innocent men, woman and children on the streets i grew up on!
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tompuderbaugh

For those who are interested in my (2 week, so far) mini-experiment, here are some more details --

* To recap my situation, I am a high level Track and Field athlete (Senior Division) training to represent our country in this year's Senior World Championships. I do the Sprints and the Jumps.

* Two weeks ago (after watching this documentary) I stopped eating any meat. I still eat (fairly modest) amounts of stuff that comes "OUT" of animals (low-fat milk, cheese, yogurt, some eggs and egg-whites), I just don't eat the animals themselves.

* I have changed nothing whatsoever with my training. (I do intense track work and weight training.)

* I still eat the same number of calories per day as before (about 60/70 carbs, 20% lean proteins and I try to stay fairly low-fat. Maybe about 15% of daily total.) The only thing I did differently is that I dropped eating all meat.

* My body weight has remained fairly constant, probably up 2 lbs. But this is well within my usual up/down range. My wife however, says that she thinks I am more ripped and vascular. Although, full disclosure, I'm pretty lean already....Have to be as a Sprinter, right?

* Ideas/Conclusions right now? First off let me say completely that "2 short weeks does not an experiment make". But I can share a few thoughts --

1. I seem to be recuperating from my intense training a bit quicker.

2. I seem to be sleeping a bit more deeply at night.

3. I seem to be able to process oxygen through my lungs a bit better.

4. In the last 2 weeks I have set 2 new "personal bests" in my track events (and I haven't done that in over a year)....THAT got my attention!

5. I'm guessing that the above might have something to do with reduced inflammation levels in my bloodstream. That is one of the main ideas in "The Game Changer"....That the process of digesting meat raises the levels of inflammation in our veins and arteries. And this inflammation can lead eventually to all kinds of health problems.

The interesting thing for me, is that "The Game Changer" is all about what is being reported by high-level athletes in a wide range of sports.

And these aren't "weekend warriors". These are very serious, experienced athletes who are super in touch with their bodies and how they react to change.

So I make no firm conclusions whatsoever. But trying to keep an open mind, I do find myself asking "Crap, I've been doing this (athletics) for years....Is there a possibility that some of my life-long "meat for strength" thinking has just been plain wrong?

Good training to all!

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Gainz

I would highly recommend you watch this science based debunking of that vegan propaganda based nonsense:

https://youtu.be/NV8RVKX-ues
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
For many a year I was obsessed with building muscle and I ate steaks and everything thing else made of protein in that quest but what I ate had more to do with what I liked to eat,what tasted good vrs would it build muscle better.I feel sorry for those of you who ate two steaks and 6 eggs and a protein drink etc etc at one meal.The body doesn't need much more than a can of tuna a day so most all that other protein would be pissed out and turned to fat.
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Average Al

tompuderbaugh wrote:
For those who are interested in my (2 week, so far) mini-experiment, here are some more details --

* To recap my situation, I am a high level Track and Field athlete (Senior Division) training to represent our country in this year's Senior World Championships. I do the Sprints and the Jumps.

* Two weeks ago (after watching this documentary) I stopped eating any meat. I still eat (fairly modest) amounts of stuff that comes "OUT" of animals (low-fat milk, cheese, yogurt, some eggs and egg-whites), I just don't eat the animals themselves.

* I have changed nothing whatsoever with my training. (I do intense track work and weight training.)

* I still eat the same number of calories per day as before (about 60/70 carbs, 20% lean proteins and I try to stay fairly low-fat. Maybe about 15% of daily total.) The only thing I did differently is that I dropped eating all meat.

* My body weight has remained fairly constant, probably up 2 lbs. But this is well within my usual up/down range. My wife however, says that she thinks I am more ripped and vascular. Although, full disclosure, I'm pretty lean already....Have to be as a Sprinter, right?

* Ideas/Conclusions right now? First off let me say completely that "2 short weeks does not an experiment make". But I can share a few thoughts --

1. I seem to be recuperating from my intense training a bit quicker.

2. I seem to be sleeping a bit more deeply at night.

3. I seem to be able to process oxygen through my lungs a bit better.

4. In the last 2 weeks I have set 2 new "personal bests" in my track events (and I haven't done that in over a year)....THAT got my attention!

5. I'm guessing that the above might have something to do with reduced inflammation levels in my bloodstream. That is one of the main ideas in "The Game Changer"....That the process of digesting meat raises the levels of inflammation in our veins and arteries. And this inflammation can lead eventually to all kinds of health problems.

The interesting thing for me, is that "The Game Changer" is all about what is being reported by high-level athletes in a wide range of sports.

And these aren't "weekend warriors". These are very serious, experienced athletes who are super in touch with their bodies and how they react to change.

So I make no firm conclusions whatsoever. But trying to keep an open mind, I do find myself asking "Crap, I've been doing this (athletics) for years....Is there a possibility that some of my life-long "meat for strength" thinking has just been plain wrong?

Good training to all!



I haven't gotten around to watching the documentary yet, though I will at some point. But I have seen enough reviews from people who's opinions I trust to know that it does not provide a balanced view of the available evidence. It is pushing a pro-vegan, anti-animal products agenda. Since it is backed by a professional film maker, I'd expect it to be persuasive. That doesn't mean it is correct. A cherry picked collection of anecdotes can be highly misleading.

As for your experience: 2 weeks is barely any time at all to evaluate the effect of diet on performance. Perhaps the gains are pure coincidence: you happened to switch diets at a point where your performance was primed to advance anyway due to other factors.

Also, since you came away from the documentary sold on the idea that eating meat was hurting your performance, perhaps this is just a placebo effect?
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Average Al

entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
For many a year I was obsessed with building muscle and I ate steaks and everything thing else made of protein in that quest but what I ate had more to do with what I liked to eat,what tasted good vrs would it build muscle better.I feel sorry for those of you who ate two steaks and 6 eggs and a protein drink etc etc at one meal.The body doesn't need much more than a can of tuna a day so most all that other protein would be pissed out and turned to fat.


I get your point, but the example is overstated, I'm afraid: 6 oz of tuna has about 40 grams of protein. That is below the minimum recommended by the FDA for an average size sedentary male. There is considerable evidence that the FDA minimums are not enough to ensure optimal health, especially for older adults.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/...ay-201506188096

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HeavyHitter32

Instead of speculating about "inflammation" regarding a certain diet (which a lot of people do on the forum) why not get some data on yourself and get your c-reactive protein measured? This is something you're going to probably have to request your doctor to do as it's not part of regularly ordered blood work. I've had mine done on multiple occasions. Find out just how much inflammation is in your body.
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sirloin

entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
For many a year I was obsessed with building muscle and I ate steaks and everything thing else made of protein in that quest but what I ate had more to do with what I liked to eat,what tasted good vrs would it build muscle better.I feel sorry for those of you who ate two steaks and 6 eggs and a protein drink etc etc at one meal.The body doesn't need much more than a can of tuna a day so most all that other protein would be pissed out and turned to fat.


Protein requirements are based on bodyweight, lean mass and other circumstances such as obesity, where protein will help with satiety. But i agree in general, we dont require several hundred grams per day, nor anywhere near that as the BB industy had us believe.
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Gainz

Meat definitely doesn't equal inflammation:

https://youtu.be/mxgAboK6BOs
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tompuderbaugh wrote:
Hi all,

I recently watched the Netflix documentary "The Game Changer" about what science is telling us about the food/nutrition needs of Elite athletes.

Wow, what an eye opener.

Not sure I totally agree with everything presented....But I'm telling you, anyone who watches it with an "open mind" will go "Huh, maybe some of the stuff I've been doing all these years is totally wrong".

Certainly worth 90 minutes of your time.

Good training to all!


Tom,

I have seen this twice. Glad the truth came out on protein. Ditto the role fat has on inflamed endothelial blood vessels linings.

I still love meat, especially eggs, pulled pork, bacon, steak. A while back I tried to concentrate on a peasant diet which emphasizes starches ie.

potatoes
Bread
Beans
Corn
Rice

The results were good
Stronger, feel better
Recent physical and lab results back up this high carbohydrate low fat diet. I still eat meat, just not as much.
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S.M.Punisher

Here is another game changer...

What's known as semen retention, as much as I dislike that term.

Refrain from emptying your balls and hold onto your life force; and I'm confident you will increase your testosterone and general wellbeing as a result.

A while back I posted about some renewed progress I was enjoying with a very basic and brief program. The deciding factor I now believe was that I had (incidentally) stopped allowing myself full orgasms, and this includes with female company. At times I thought, this is what a low dose of AS must feel like. I was gaining strength as consistently if not better than when I was 18 years old.

There is such a thing as a non-ejaculatory orgasm which I highly recommend as well, which you can achieve with intense muscular contractions to shut off the external element of the orgasm and still experience it internally, and intensely in a more invigorating way.

The ancient Greeks practiced this, I believe, even to the discipline required to be with a woman and not let her have what is literally a transfer of very precious energy. This I believe is the best way to ramp up your testosterone... to allow a woman to intoxicate your senses yet for you to be in total control over your body, so that hers becomes a source of power to you rather than an object of the worship through which you sacrifice power, both spiritually and physically.

I say the time to give in, and to a woman, is for the purpose originally intended or for special occasions, and perhaps to deload (see what I did there) when the benefits of the higher T have already delivered optimally for a time being.
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Sex, Productivity, and Motivation https://youtu.be/EDlpKznIgMo

Robert Sepehr is a top bloke.
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