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Tridentine

does one need the nautilus rotary neck if you use the medx avenger 4 way neck?
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Tridentine

Dr Darden As an expert what do you say?
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strengthmaster

Michigan, USA

No, you do not need to do rotation if you're doing 4-way neck. The sternocleidomastoid is the muscle responsible for rotating the head as well as lateral flexion to one side. Both sternocleidomastoids contract together when you perform flexion. You need to be very careful performing rotation with resistance, positive or negative-only as in the Nautilus Rotary Neck. But, it is not necessary.

Scott
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Ellington Darden

During the 1970s, I used the Nautilus Rotary Neck machine once a week. And I also did the 4-Way Neck machine. The Rotary Neck certainly adds something different to the size and strength of the neck.

For a young man, between the ages of 15 and 50, especially those interested in sports, it probably has a place in training.

After age 50, MedX research showed that the 4-Way Neck's front flexion and back extension was all one needs for overall neck strength.

Ellington
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ATP 4 Vitality

The many neck muscles act like a concert orchestra. There are lots of different instruments playing different notes, which when played together create a beautiful singular melodic sound. The many muscles of the neck produce redundant movements, but the major movements when trained, flexion and extension, will suffice for the vast majority of training circumstances.

The neck is the king of exercise. Much more important than biceps or chest. Great for aerobics also. Great for looks.
Dr. Darden said it best in - dress for success.

http://web.archive.org/...l/previous.html
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Ellington Darden

Wow. Haven't seen the ClassicX material in a long time. There's some nice stuff in there.

Thanks for posting.

Ellington

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StuKE

I don't have access to any of those machines but I do train my neck often and consistantly. Last night was two sets of 100 with the neck harness and two sets of 60 laying on my back on a bench with a weight on my forehead, curling my head up.
I often add some isometrics for front, back and sides and sometimes use heabier weights and reps as low as 12-15. I like to watch/read about Mike The Machine Bruce.
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Tridentine

does anyone have an opinion on the Medx Avenger 4 way neck?
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ATP 4 Vitality

Ellington Darden wrote:
Wow. Haven't seen the ClassicX material in a long time. There's some nice stuff in there.

Thanks for posting.

Ellington



Yeah, some great articles.

So - How about it Dr?

Give us a modern neck article - please?

Today, the neck is so important, so much that even Pee Wee football is outright banning football 3-point stances.
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StuKE

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Ellington Darden wrote:
Wow. Haven't seen the ClassicX material in a long time. There's some nice stuff in there.

Thanks for posting.

Ellington



Yeah, some great articles.

So - How about it Dr?

Give us a modern neck article - please?

Today, the neck is so important, so much that even Pee Wee football is outright banning football 3-point stances.


Yep, totally agree on the importance of training neck.
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ATP 4 Vitality

Yeah, neck training in the year 2020 , Covid-19!

Upside-Down Neck Training


Is it time for neck training with sugar-infused creatine powder solution?

I say yes!
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StuKE

This gets your neck. Only held position for half a second or so.
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ATP 4 Vitality

StuKE wrote:
This gets your neck. Only held position for half a second or so.


Is that Grant?
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StuKE

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
StuKE wrote:
This gets your neck. Only held position for half a second or so.

Is that Grant?


Hahaha no we would never see a pic of him. I did it for a laugh, not part of my routine!
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ATP 4 Vitality

Ellington Darden wrote:

After age 50, MedX research showed that the 4-Way Neck's front flexion and back extension was all one needs for overall neck strength.

Ellington


Where can one read this particular research on MedX?
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AndyMitch

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
The many neck muscles act like a concert orchestra. There are lots of different instruments playing different notes, which when played together create a beautiful singular melodic sound. The many muscles of the neck produce redundant movements, but the major movements when trained, flexion and extension, will suffice for the vast majority of training circumstances.

The neck is the king of exercise. Much more important than biceps or chest. Great for aerobics also. Great for looks.
Dr. Darden said it best in - dress for success.

http://web.archive.org/...us.html


That?s awesome
Brings back so many memories....

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Ellington Darden

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Ellington Darden wrote:

After age 50, MedX research showed that the 4-Way Neck's front flexion and back extension was all one needs for overall neck strength.

Ellington


Where can one read this particular research on MedX?


Put "MedX research studies" into Google and you should get a listing of more than 70 studies. The one on cervical training is toward the end.

Ellington
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

People have survived for millions of years without any specific resistance training, including that of the neck. To add any training, including the neck, is merely bonus (depending on one's environment). To include rotary neck beyond a neck machine is merely bonus (beyond one's environment). To suggest we need any of it is relative to the conditions of the individual and his/her environment. Take the average Joe or Jane... explain how adding rotary neck is any more important than simply a neck machine... or that a neck machine is even necessary (if that person is not in an auto accident/whiplash or playing sports, etc.)????
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ATP 4 Vitality

Brian Johnston wrote:
People have survived for millions of years without any specific resistance training, including that of the neck. To add any training, including the neck, is merely bonus (depending on one's environment). To include rotary neck beyond a neck machine is merely bonus (beyond one's environment). To suggest we need any of it is relative to the conditions of the individual and his/her environment. Take the average Joe or Jane... explain how adding rotary neck is any more important than simply a neck machine... or that a neck machine is even necessary (if that person is not in an auto accident/whiplash or playing sports, etc.)????


Some of your logic is unassailable, especially regarding exercise. There is a problem with your facts however. You have no proof to insinuate that people have survived for - millions - of years. Just the facts!
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Tridentine

yes, there is no scientific proof man has been around millions or a million years.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

Ellington Darden wrote:
Wow. Haven't seen the ClassicX material in a long time. There's some nice stuff in there.

Thanks for posting.

Ellington



great site....love reading some of the stuff on there
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Average Al

Tridentine wrote:
yes, there is no scientific proof man has been around millions or a million years.


From wikipedia: "As of 2017, the oldest known skeleton of an anatomically modern Homo sapiens is the Omo-Kibish I, which dates to about 196,000 years ago."

Prior to homo sapiens, the most successful hominid species was homo erectus, first appeared about 2 million years ago, and spread throughout Africa, Europe, and Asia. The last one seems to have disappeared about 107,000 years ago (based on dating of the youngest skeletons that have been found).

The presumption is that homo sapiens evolved from homo erectus between 500,000 and 300,000 years ago; not sure if any skeletal remains have ever been found corresponding to this transition.

It is unlikely that homo erectus did purposeful resistance training. As far as I know, there are no other species of animal that engage in purposeful resistance training.
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Tridentine

Wikipedia has no defining authority and they have been frequently wrong.
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sirloin

Average Al wrote:
Tridentine wrote:
yes, there is no scientific proof man has been around millions or a million years.

From wikipedia: "As of 2017, the oldest known skeleton of an anatomically modern Homo sapiens is the Omo-Kibish I, which dates to about 196,000 years ago."

Prior to homo sapiens, the most successful hominid species was homo erectus, first appeared about 2 million years ago, and spread throughout Africa, Europe, and Asia. The last one seems to have disappeared about 107,000 years ago (based on dating of the youngest skeletons that have been found).

The presumption is that homo sapiens evolved from homo erectus between 500,000 and 300,000 years ago; not sure if any skeletal remains have ever been found corresponding to this transition.

It is unlikely that homo erectus did purposeful resistance training. As far as I know, there are no other species of animal that engage in purposeful resistance training.


Now come on, you can't tell me Jones's gorilla wasnt enjoying that sweet nautilus pullover cam lol.
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Average Al

Tridentine wrote:
Wikipedia has no defining authority and they have been frequently wrong.


But it can be a good starting point, especially if there are references given in support of the information provided, e.g.,

https://www.sciencedirect.com/...2706?via%3Dihub


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