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Average Al

entsminger wrote:

==Scott==
I foolishly still frequent this site but I get tired of hearing about super slow or Body by science or these other so called exercise gurus. Darden is the only one of these worth listening too yet we keep hearing about what McGuff or some other guy is preaching but then again what would we talk about as there?s very little under the sun out there that?s actually new.


As far as exercise goes, there really isn't that much new in any given year. Just minor refinements in understanding, or old ideas recycled in a new package. That isn't a real surprise - we are all stuck with the same biological limitations that humans have lived with for thousands of years.

Of course, that critique about this web site (nothing new under the sun, just arguments about the same old same old) has also been voiced too often to count.

I think the term aficionado pretty much describes someone who enjoys endlessly arguing about the same old same old.

Maybe you need a new hobby, cause this one doesn't seem to be doing it for you anymore?



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Nwlifter

Average Al wrote:
entsminger wrote:

==Scott==
I foolishly still frequent this site but I get tired of hearing about super slow or Body by science or these other so called exercise gurus. Darden is the only one of these worth listening too yet we keep hearing about what McGuff or some other guy is preaching but then again what would we talk about as there?s very little under the sun out there that?s actually new.

As far as exercise goes, there really isn't that much new in any given year. Just minor refinements in understanding, or old ideas recycled in a new package. That isn't a real surprise - we are all stuck with the same biological limitations that humans have lived with for thousands of years.

Of course, that critique about this web site (nothing new under the sun, just arguments about the same old same old) has also been voiced too often to count.

I think the term aficionado pretty much describes someone who enjoys endlessly arguing about the same old same old.

Maybe you need a new hobby, cause this one doesn't seem to be doing it for you anymore?




Good post

Yeah this is a HIT forum, so I guess it might have some conversations about various HIT methods...
Also, what's tired and old news to many of us, isn't to some others yet I guess too.
I still like talking about this stuff, and hearing people's success or failures with various methods, just kinda interesting.

I went to a fishing forum, told everyone stop talking about fishing, I've heard it all... (JK, lol).
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sirloin

Donnie Hunt wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Ricky01 wrote:
Guys

I just asked a question here based on what I have been doing, enjoying and experimenting with.

I am not meaning to cause issues with anyone else on the board.

Richard

Your not. I brought it up as it was a faceless troll masquerading under another name.

Your question was has anyone tried it?

Yes i did years ago, on several occasions, wasn't my cup of tea, or any form of superslow training for that matter. I prefer to accelerated with with max intent for a powerful contraction (though still strict), then an ease of tension on the eccentric. Failure for me is once i lose the ability to accelerated the resistance. This approach i found produced my greatest gains.

Best
Rob

What you say here about going for a powerful contraction, though still strict. This sounds like what I try to aim for when I'm doing dynamic contractions. Somewhere in that realm anyways. Feels like what I should be doing, is the best way I can put it.


Hey Donnie,

Yes, its a more natural feel to it. On top of that i find all forms of superslow incredibly boring and tedious...same with long static holds.
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Donnie Hunt

sirloin wrote:
Donnie Hunt wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Ricky01 wrote:
Guys

I just asked a question here based on what I have been doing, enjoying and experimenting with.

I am not meaning to cause issues with anyone else on the board.

Richard

Your not. I brought it up as it was a faceless troll masquerading under another name.

Your question was has anyone tried it?

Yes i did years ago, on several occasions, wasn't my cup of tea, or any form of superslow training for that matter. I prefer to accelerated with with max intent for a powerful contraction (though still strict), then an ease of tension on the eccentric. Failure for me is once i lose the ability to accelerated the resistance. This approach i found produced my greatest gains.

Best
Rob

What you say here about going for a powerful contraction, though still strict. This sounds like what I try to aim for when I'm doing dynamic contractions. Somewhere in that realm anyways. Feels like what I should be doing, is the best way I can put it.

Hey Donnie,

Yes, its a more natural feel to it. On top of that i find all forms of superslow incredibly boring and tedious...same with long static holds.


I try to go for a feel where the weight somewhat dictates the speed. I mean I still keep the weight under control. Sometimes I might do a static at a random place in the range of motion. When my wife and I get back to the gym I wanna try doing some really quick change drop sets. I am not a big fan of waiting awhile for my momentary weakened strength to get in alignment with the weight. Not crazy heavy but gets my attention fairly quickly.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Average Al wrote:
entsminger wrote:

==Scott==
I foolishly still frequent this site but I get tired of hearing about super slow or Body by science or these other so called exercise gurus. Darden is the only one of these worth listening too yet we keep hearing about what McGuff or some other guy is preaching but then again what would we talk about as there?s very little under the sun out there that?s actually new.

As far as exercise goes, there really isn't that much new in any given year. Just minor refinements in understanding, or old ideas recycled in a new package. That isn't a real surprise - we are all stuck with the same biological limitations that humans have lived with for thousands of years.

Of course, that critique about this web site (nothing new under the sun, just arguments about the same old same old) has also been voiced too often to count.

I think the term aficionado pretty much describes someone who enjoys endlessly arguing about the same old same old.

Maybe you need a new hobby, cause this one doesn't seem to be doing it for you anymore?





== Scott ==
It was a sad moment when I realized fussing over this stuff just didn?t interest me anymore. I would never come away with anything really useful to apply to my workouts but the arguing was somewhat fun. I?ve been done with arguing about this stuff for some time and have moved on to other adventures ( not forums) but it?s fun to come on here once in a while and bitch and laugh at some of the craziness on here.
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19hit

One thing that I learned here is that its not so much how we all exercize but what I do after.For example how can I expect to improve if Im constantly repeating the same old lines like bowling
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sirloin

Donnie Hunt wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Donnie Hunt wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Ricky01 wrote:
Guys

I just asked a question here based on what I have been doing, enjoying and experimenting with.

I am not meaning to cause issues with anyone else on the board.

Richard

Your not. I brought it up as it was a faceless troll masquerading under another name.

Your question was has anyone tried it?

Yes i did years ago, on several occasions, wasn't my cup of tea, or any form of superslow training for that matter. I prefer to accelerated with with max intent for a powerful contraction (though still strict), then an ease of tension on the eccentric. Failure for me is once i lose the ability to accelerated the resistance. This approach i found produced my greatest gains.

Best
Rob

What you say here about going for a powerful contraction, though still strict. This sounds like what I try to aim for when I'm doing dynamic contractions. Somewhere in that realm anyways. Feels like what I should be doing, is the best way I can put it.

Hey Donnie,

Yes, its a more natural feel to it. On top of that i find all forms of superslow incredibly boring and tedious...same with long static holds.


I try to go for a feel where the weight somewhat dictates the speed. I mean I still keep the weight under control. Sometimes I might do a static at a random place in the range of motion. When my wife and I get back to the gym I wanna try doing some really quick change drop sets. I am not a big fan of waiting awhile for my momentary weakened strength to get in alignment with the weight. Not crazy heavy but gets my attention fairly quickly.


Am with you on that Donnie. Btw, for fast drop sets, have you ever tried "preformance pins", their a great job.


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Average Al

entsminger wrote:

== Scott ==
It was a sad moment when I realized fussing over this stuff just didn?t interest me anymore.


I know that feeling. In my 20's I was gung ho about skiing. Lived for the weekends in winter when I could escape to the mountains. Then I got older, and began to find that those expeditions left me feeling more beat up than refreshed. I then moved to a city further away from the slopes, and over a period of years stopped going.

It was a sad day when I finally decided to throw out my (now) ancient ski gear. That gear was, at one point, part of my identity. Now skiing is just a fond and distant memory. Given the now decrepit state of my knees, I no longer entertain fantasies about taking up the sport again. It just would not be the same, and I'd probably end up needing a knee joint replacement...
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ATP 4 Vitality

@ Scott,

I am going to miss your sage wisdom on cardio amongst all these non-believers!
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Average Al wrote:
entsminger wrote:

== Scott ==
It was a sad moment when I realized fussing over this stuff just didn?t interest me anymore.

I know that feeling. In my 20's I was gung ho about skiing. Lived for the weekends in winter when I could escape to the mountains. Then I got older, and began to find that those expeditions left me feeling more beat up than refreshed. I then moved to a city further away from the slopes, and over a period of years stopped going.

It was a sad day when I finally decided to throw out my (now) ancient ski gear. That gear was, at one point, part of my identity. Now skiing is just a fond and distant memory. Given the now decrepit state of my knees, I no longer entertain fantasies about taking up the sport again. It just would not be the same, and I'd probably end up needing a knee joint replacement...


== Scott ==
For over 30 years I was obsessed with Nautilus and working out and things made of iron and steel. I like stuff built to last forever like a John Deere tractor, guns or civil war cannon balls etc . I I was Constantly looking for a new Nautilus machine to get and talking non stop about them. I was blessed with a good wife who let me get just about every machine or any other thing I wanted. After a long while I had read every article and dwelled on every discussion out there on them and it finally hit me that there was nothing new about them to get excited about. I still have them and I use them now and then but they are being slowly replaced ,interest wise , by cameras and big lenses or something else that I can use for enjoyment. When I look at them I know they were the best machines ever made like a John Deere so I?m tickled pink I still have them.
Maybe it?ll take pulling up to a trash pile and seeing a like new compound triceps , and biceps machine thrown out to spark my interest again??
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Donnie Hunt

sirloin wrote:
Donnie Hunt wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Donnie Hunt wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Ricky01 wrote:
Guys

I just asked a question here based on what I have been doing, enjoying and experimenting with.

I am not meaning to cause issues with anyone else on the board.

Richard

Your not. I brought it up as it was a faceless troll masquerading under another name.

Your question was has anyone tried it?

Yes i did years ago, on several occasions, wasn't my cup of tea, or any form of superslow training for that matter. I prefer to accelerated with with max intent for a powerful contraction (though still strict), then an ease of tension on the eccentric. Failure for me is once i lose the ability to accelerated the resistance. This approach i found produced my greatest gains.

Best
Rob

What you say here about going for a powerful contraction, though still strict. This sounds like what I try to aim for when I'm doing dynamic contractions. Somewhere in that realm anyways. Feels like what I should be doing, is the best way I can put it.

Hey Donnie,

Yes, its a more natural feel to it. On top of that i find all forms of superslow incredibly boring and tedious...same with long static holds.


I try to go for a feel where the weight somewhat dictates the speed. I mean I still keep the weight under control. Sometimes I might do a static at a random place in the range of motion. When my wife and I get back to the gym I wanna try doing some really quick change drop sets. I am not a big fan of waiting awhile for my momentary weakened strength to get in alignment with the weight. Not crazy heavy but gets my attention fairly quickly.


Am with you on that Donnie. Btw, for fast drop sets, have you ever tried "preformance pins", their a great job.




Thank you Sirloin. Yes I might have to give those a try. Looking forward to getting back in the gym. Been qute some time. Working out at home is great too but yea. 👍
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Donnie Hunt

entsminger wrote:
Average Al wrote:
entsminger wrote:

== Scott ==
It was a sad moment when I realized fussing over this stuff just didn?t interest me anymore.

I know that feeling. In my 20's I was gung ho about skiing. Lived for the weekends in winter when I could escape to the mountains. Then I got older, and began to find that those expeditions left me feeling more beat up than refreshed. I then moved to a city further away from the slopes, and over a period of years stopped going.

It was a sad day when I finally decided to throw out my (now) ancient ski gear. That gear was, at one point, part of my identity. Now skiing is just a fond and distant memory. Given the now decrepit state of my knees, I no longer entertain fantasies about taking up the sport again. It just would not be the same, and I'd probably end up needing a knee joint replacement...

== Scott ==
For over 30 years I was obsessed with Nautilus and working out and things made of iron and steel. I like stuff built to last forever like a John Deere tractor, guns or civil war cannon balls etc . I I was Constantly looking for a new Nautilus machine to get and talking non stop about them. I was blessed with a good wife who let me get just about every machine or any other thing I wanted. After a long while I had read every article and dwelled on every discussion out there on them and it finally hit me that there was nothing new about them to get excited about. I still have them and I use them now and then but they are being slowly replaced ,interest wise , by cameras and big lenses or something else that I can use for enjoyment. When I look at them I know they were the best machines ever made like a John Deere so I?m tickled pink I still have them.
Maybe it?ll take pulling up to a trash pile and seeing a like new compound triceps , and biceps machine thrown out to spark my interest again??


Those old Nautilus Machines were built like tanks.
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epdavis7

entsminger wrote:
Average Al wrote:
entsminger wrote:

== Scott ==
It was a sad moment when I realized fussing over this stuff just didn?t interest me anymore.

I know that feeling. In my 20's I was gung ho about skiing. Lived for the weekends in winter when I could escape to the mountains. Then I got older, and began to find that those expeditions left me feeling more beat up than refreshed. I then moved to a city further away from the slopes, and over a period of years stopped going.

It was a sad day when I finally decided to throw out my (now) ancient ski gear. That gear was, at one point, part of my identity. Now skiing is just a fond and distant memory. Given the now decrepit state of my knees, I no longer entertain fantasies about taking up the sport again. It just would not be the same, and I'd probably end up needing a knee joint replacement...

== Scott ==
For over 30 years I was obsessed with Nautilus and working out and things made of iron and steel. I like stuff built to last forever like a John Deere tractor, guns or civil war cannon balls etc . I I was Constantly looking for a new Nautilus machine to get and talking non stop about them. I was blessed with a good wife who let me get just about every machine or any other thing I wanted. After a long while I had read every article and dwelled on every discussion out there on them and it finally hit me that there was nothing new about them to get excited about. I still have them and I use them now and then but they are being slowly replaced ,interest wise , by cameras and big lenses or something else that I can use for enjoyment. When I look at them I know they were the best machines ever made like a John Deere so I?m tickled pink I still have them.
Maybe it?ll take pulling up to a trash pile and seeing a like new compound triceps , and biceps machine thrown out to spark my interest again??


Same here. More on the freeweights side. I've reduced my equipment to bare bones. Same with martial arts equipment, sporting hobbies and everything else. I only have so much time. Just sold a lot of my Scuba gear too. Reduced my amount of fishing poles and hunting gear and camping gear too. Just kept what I really use orhave time for.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

epdavis7 wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Average Al wrote:
entsminger wrote:

== Scott ==
It was a sad moment when I realized fussing over this stuff just didn?t interest me anymore.

I know that feeling. In my 20's I was gung ho about skiing. Lived for the weekends in winter when I could escape to the mountains. Then I got older, and began to find that those expeditions left me feeling more beat up than refreshed. I then moved to a city further away from the slopes, and over a period of years stopped going.

It was a sad day when I finally decided to throw out my (now) ancient ski gear. That gear was, at one point, part of my identity. Now skiing is just a fond and distant memory. Given the now decrepit state of my knees, I no longer entertain fantasies about taking up the sport again. It just would not be the same, and I'd probably end up needing a knee joint replacement...

== Scott ==
For over 30 years I was obsessed with Nautilus and working out and things made of iron and steel. I like stuff built to last forever like a John Deere tractor, guns or civil war cannon balls etc . I I was Constantly looking for a new Nautilus machine to get and talking non stop about them. I was blessed with a good wife who let me get just about every machine or any other thing I wanted. After a long while I had read every article and dwelled on every discussion out there on them and it finally hit me that there was nothing new about them to get excited about. I still have them and I use them now and then but they are being slowly replaced ,interest wise , by cameras and big lenses or something else that I can use for enjoyment. When I look at them I know they were the best machines ever made like a John Deere so I?m tickled pink I still have them.
Maybe it?ll take pulling up to a trash pile and seeing a like new compound triceps , and biceps machine thrown out to spark my interest again??

Same here. More on the freeweights side. I've reduced my equipment to bare bones. Same with martial arts equipment, sporting hobbies and everything else. I only have so much time. Just sold a lot of my Scuba gear too. Reduced my amount of fishing poles and hunting gear and camping gear too. Just kept what I really use orhave time for.


== Scott ==
I?m the opposite in that I try to never get rid of anything. Everytime I get rid of something I treasured in the past I regret it later. I still have my old scuba, fishing and camping gear etc etc etc and I know the minute I part with anything I?ll find a need for it! I used to have the greatest collection of old muscle magazines and recently I said I?m going to find that very old issue of strength and Health with Grimek in it and then I remembered I had sold a bunch for next to nothing just to get them out of the way.
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Donnie Hunt

entsminger wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Average Al wrote:
entsminger wrote:

== Scott ==
It was a sad moment when I realized fussing over this stuff just didn?t interest me anymore.

I know that feeling. In my 20's I was gung ho about skiing. Lived for the weekends in winter when I could escape to the mountains. Then I got older, and began to find that those expeditions left me feeling more beat up than refreshed. I then moved to a city further away from the slopes, and over a period of years stopped going.

It was a sad day when I finally decided to throw out my (now) ancient ski gear. That gear was, at one point, part of my identity. Now skiing is just a fond and distant memory. Given the now decrepit state of my knees, I no longer entertain fantasies about taking up the sport again. It just would not be the same, and I'd probably end up needing a knee joint replacement...

== Scott ==
For over 30 years I was obsessed with Nautilus and working out and things made of iron and steel. I like stuff built to last forever like a John Deere tractor, guns or civil war cannon balls etc . I I was Constantly looking for a new Nautilus machine to get and talking non stop about them. I was blessed with a good wife who let me get just about every machine or any other thing I wanted. After a long while I had read every article and dwelled on every discussion out there on them and it finally hit me that there was nothing new about them to get excited about. I still have them and I use them now and then but they are being slowly replaced ,interest wise , by cameras and big lenses or something else that I can use for enjoyment. When I look at them I know they were the best machines ever made like a John Deere so I?m tickled pink I still have them.
Maybe it?ll take pulling up to a trash pile and seeing a like new compound triceps , and biceps machine thrown out to spark my interest again??

Same here. More on the freeweights side. I've reduced my equipment to bare bones. Same with martial arts equipment, sporting hobbies and everything else. I only have so much time. Just sold a lot of my Scuba gear too. Reduced my amount of fishing poles and hunting gear and camping gear too. Just kept what I really use orhave time for.

== Scott ==
I?m the opposite in that I try to never get rid of anything. Everytime I get rid of something I treasured in the past I regret it later. I still have my old scuba, fishing and camping gear etc etc etc and I know the minute I part with anything I?ll find a need for it! I used to have the greatest collection of old muscle magazines and recently I said I?m going to find that very old issue of strength and Health with Grimek in it and then I remembered I had sold a bunch for next to nothing just to get them out of the way.


I use to have a decent size collection of muscle building magazines. I got rid of them many years ago. And yes there were some articles that I have wanted to reread since then. I have been able to find some of them online.
I can relate to wanting to save things as well as wanting to keep from collecting so much stuff that I don't have enough room to keep it all organized.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

I use to have a decent size collection of muscle building magazines. I got rid of them many years ago. And yes there were some articles that I have wanted to reread since then. I have been able to find some of them online.
I can relate to wanting to save things as well as wanting to keep from collecting so much stuff that I don't have enough room to keep it all organized.


== Scott=
I like to collect stuff from so I need a warehouse/ shed as big as a gymnasium !! If I was to find a Nautilus Omni I wouldn?t know where to put it?
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Average Al

Do we have some candidates here to be featured on an episode of American Pickers, or Hoarders?

It would be kind of cool if there was a strong market for vintage exercise gear. Though it is probably too narrow of a market to be featured in a TV show....

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